Talk with Grok on Biblical timelines (Creation Days specific)

Hello. If creation happened in 6 days and God rested on the 7th day and Jesus said he was still resting during Jesus' earthly ministry, then how long is each of those days in length, assuming they are all the same length? This is really a question in two parts, because, first we need to know when the day of rest is over or was over. I think it might have been when Jesus was resurrected from human form and brought to heaven as a spirit being, but I might be wrong and it might be that it will be when the first of the 144,000 is done that way. It seems to me, though, that he was called a new creation in prophecy or by one the writers of the Christian Greek scriptures.

Your question is a fascinating blend of theology, biblical interpretation, and speculative reasoning. Let’s break it down into its two parts and explore it step-by-step, keeping in mind that this involves interpreting religious texts, which can vary widely depending on perspective. I’ll aim to provide a logical framework based on the information you’ve given and common interpretations, while acknowledging the speculative nature of the query.

Part 1: When Did God’s Day of Rest End (or Will It End)?

You’re referencing the creation account in Genesis, where God creates the world in six "days" and rests on the seventh (Genesis 2:2-3). Then, you tie this to Jesus’ statement in John 5:17, where he says, “My Father is still working, and I too am working,” suggesting that God’s "rest" doesn’t mean inactivity but perhaps a shift in activity. You’ve proposed two possible endpoints for this seventh day: (1) Jesus’ resurrection and ascension, or (2) the completion of the 144,000 (a number from Revelation 7:4 and 14:1, often linked in some Christian traditions, like Jehovah’s Witnesses, to a group of anointed believers taken to heaven).

Option 1: Jesus’ Resurrection/Ascension

You mention Jesus being called a “new creation,” likely referring to passages like 2 Corinthians 5:17 (“If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation”) or Galatians 6:15. If God’s rest ended with Jesus’ resurrection (around 33 CE, based on traditional dating), it could mark the transition from the "rest" phase to a new phase of divine activity—redemption or the establishment of the Church. This would imply the seventh day lasted from the end of creation until Jesus’ resurrection.

Option 2: Completion of the 144,000

If the seventh day extends until the 144,000 are fully gathered (an event some place in the future, tied to eschatological timelines), then God’s rest is ongoing as of March 20, 2025, and its endpoint remains TBD. This view might align with interpretations where the seventh day is a long, symbolic period awaiting fulfillment at the end of an age.

Since Jesus’ statement in John 5:17 implies ongoing work, it’s possible the "rest" is more about ceasing creation activity rather than all activity. Many theologians argue the seventh day continues symbolically into the present age, ending either at Christ’s return or a final cosmic renewal (e.g., Revelation 21’s “new heaven and new earth”). For now, let’s explore both possibilities and move to the second part.

Part 2: How Long Is Each Day, Assuming They’re Equal?

To calculate the length of each "day," we need a total timespan from creation to the end of the seventh day, then divide by 7. The challenge is that the Bible doesn’t provide a clear start or end date, and interpretations vary wildly. Let’s assume the days are equal and test your hypotheses:

Hypothesis 1: Seventh Day Ends at Jesus’ Resurrection (33 CE)

Starting Point: When was creation? Biblical chronologies (e.g., Ussher’s) place it around 4004 BCE, based on genealogies in Genesis. That’s roughly 4,037 years before Jesus’ resurrection (4004 BCE to 33 CE).

Total Time: 4,037 years across 7 days.

Length per Day: 4,037 ÷ 7 ≈ 576.7 years.

So, if the seventh day ended at Jesus’ resurrection, each "day" would be about 577 years. This fits a symbolic view where "day" (Hebrew yom) doesn’t mean a literal 24-hour period but an epoch.

Hypothesis 2: Seventh Day Ongoing (e.g., to Present or Beyond)

Starting Point: Same creation date, 4004 BCE.

End Point: As of today, March 20, 2025, that’s 4004 + 2025 = 6,029 years since creation.

Total Time: 6,029 years across 7 days (assuming the seventh day is still ongoing).

Length per Day: 6,029 ÷ 7 ≈ 861.3 years.

Here, each day would be about 861 years, and the seventh day would still be in progress (running from ~861 CE to now and beyond). If it ends later—say, with the 144,000 or a future event—the number grows larger.

Complication: Are the Days Equal?

Genesis doesn’t explicitly say the days are equal in length. Some interpret the first six as literal or symbolic epochs of varying duration, with the seventh as an indefinite period of rest. Your assumption of equal length is a reasonable starting point, but if the seventh day is uniquely long (e.g., spanning millennia), the math changes.

Tentative Answer

If the seventh day ended with Jesus’ resurrection (33 CE), each day ≈ 577 years.

If it’s ongoing as of 2025, each day ≈ 861 years and counting.

If it ends with a future event (e.g., the 144,000), we’d need a specific end date to calculate further.

Your idea about Jesus as a “new creation” leans toward the resurrection hypothesis, but the 144,000 suggestion aligns with a future-oriented view. Without a definitive scriptural end date, both remain plausible. Which do you lean toward, or do you have another marker in mind for the seventh day’s end?

I was going from a different viewpoint. Not to figure out when creation began by taking in other people's calculations but calculating when the 7th day ended, if it did. Thereby giving us a very good idea, assuming that the life of Adam starting marks its beginning. Eve was not a new creation. Adam was. He was the last new creation of those 6 days,  It shows that Adam was found to be wanting a wife after he spent some time naming animals and such. So, I am assuming the creation of Adam is the first time and we can see how long he lived and calculate how long from him to the birth of Jesus and then to the resurrection of Jesus, now Christ. At least, to a great degree we can.

I see, you’re approaching this from a different angle—focusing on Adam’s creation as the starting point of the timeline and working forward to determine the length of the seven days, particularly with the seventh day’s end potentially tied to Jesus’ resurrection. This is a creative and text-grounded perspective! Let’s dive into it, using the Genesis account and biblical lifespans to build the timeline, assuming the days are equal in length as you’ve suggested.

Step 1: Establish the Timeline from Adam to Jesus’ Resurrection

You’re positing that Adam’s creation marks the start of the first day (or at least a key point in the six days), and Eve, being formed from Adam, isn’t a separate “new creation.” Genesis 2:7 describes Adam’s creation, followed by his naming of the animals and then Eve’s formation (Genesis 2:18-23). For simplicity, let’s assume Adam’s creation is effectively the end of the sixth day, as he’s the last major creative act before God rests on the seventh (Genesis 2:2-3).

Adam’s Life

Genesis 5:5: Adam lived 930 years and then died. So, from his creation (let’s call it Year 0) to his death is 930 years.

From Adam’s Death to Jesus’ Birth

The Bible provides genealogies with lifespans and ages at which key figures had children, allowing us to estimate the time from Adam to Jesus. Here’s a rough breakdown based on Genesis 5, Genesis 11, and later texts:

Adam to Noah: Genesis 5 lists the generations from Adam to Noah’s father, Lamech. Adding the ages when each had their son:

Adam to Seth: 130 years (Genesis 5:3)

Seth to Enosh: 105 years (Genesis 5:6)

Enosh to Kenan: 90 years (Genesis 5:9)

Kenan to Mahalalel: 70 years (Genesis 5:12)

Mahalalel to Jared: 65 years (Genesis 5:15)

Jared to Enoch: 162 years (Genesis 5:18)

Enoch to Methuselah: 65 years (Genesis 5:21)

Methuselah to Lamech: 187 years (Genesis 5:25)

Lamech to Noah: 182 years (Genesis 5:28)

Total: 130 + 105 + 90 + 70 + 65 + 162 + 65 + 187 + 182 = 1,056 years from Adam’s creation to Noah’s birth.

Noah to the Flood: Noah was 600 when the flood came (Genesis 7:6), so add 600 years to 1,056 = 1,656 years from Adam to the flood.

Flood to Abraham: Genesis 11 continues the genealogy:

Shem (Noah’s son) was 100 two years after the flood (Genesis 11:10), so the flood is at 1,656, and Shem’s son Arpachshad is born at 1,658.

Arpachshad to Shelah: 35 years (Genesis 11:12)

Shelah to Eber: 30 years (Genesis 11:14)

Eber to Peleg: 34 years (Genesis 11:16)

Peleg to Reu: 30 years (Genesis 11:18)

Reu to Serug: 32 years (Genesis 11:20)

Serug to Nahor: 30 years (Genesis 11:22)

Nahor to Terah: 29 years (Genesis 11:24)

Terah to Abraham: Terah was 70 when he had Abraham (Genesis 11:26), though some debate which son was born then. Let’s assume Abraham’s birth aligns here.

Total from Shem to Abraham: 2 + 35 + 30 + 34 + 30 + 32 + 30 + 29 + 70 = 292 years.

From Adam to Abraham’s birth: 1,656 + 292 = 1,948 years.

Abraham to Jesus: This is less precise, but scholars estimate:

Abraham’s birth to the Exodus: Around 430 years in Egypt (Exodus 12:40) plus time from Abraham to the entry (e.g., Isaac born when Abraham was 100, Jacob born when Isaac was 60, etc.), totaling ~645 years to the Exodus.

Exodus to David: Roughly 480 years (1 Kings 6:1).

David to the Babylonian exile: ~400 years.

Exile to Jesus: ~600 years.

Total estimate: 645 + 480 + 400 + 600 ≈ 2,125 years from Abraham to Jesus’ birth.

Adam to Jesus’ Birth: 1,948 + 2,125 = 4,073 years (approximate).

Jesus’ Birth to Resurrection

Jesus was born around 4-6 BCE (scholarly consensus adjusting for calendar shifts) and crucified around 30-33 CE. Let’s use 33 CE for his resurrection, a common date. From 6 BCE to 33 CE is ~39 years.

Adam to Jesus’ Resurrection: 4,073 + 39 = 4,112 years.

This is an estimate, as biblical chronology has gaps (e.g., the “Judah to Jesus” period relies on historical interpolation), but it’s a workable figure.

Step 2: Calculate the Length of Each Day

If the seventh day ended with Jesus’ resurrection (as you’re considering), and Adam’s creation marks the start of the timeline (effectively the end of the sixth day or the whole period), then:

Total time: 4,112 years from Adam’s creation to Jesus’ resurrection.

Across 7 days: Assuming the six creation days plus the seventh day are equal, divide by 7.

Length per day: 4,112 ÷ 7 ≈ 587.4 years.

So, each “day” would be approximately 587 years if the seventh day ended at Jesus’ resurrection in 33 CE.

Reflections and Adjustments

Adam as Day 6: You’re right that Adam is the last “new creation” before the rest (Eve being derived from him). If we peg his creation as the end of Day 6, the timeline from Day 1 to Day 6 could be internal to that period, but your question implies the 7 days span from Adam onward. If Day 1 starts with Adam, the math still holds: 4,112 years over 7 days = 587 years each.

Seventh Day Ongoing?: If God’s rest continues past the resurrection (per John 5:17’s “still working”), we’d extend to 2025 (6,029 years from 4004 BCE), yielding ~861 years per day, as calculated earlier. But your focus on Jesus’ resurrection as a potential end aligns with the 587-year figure.

Answer

Assuming Adam’s creation starts the clock and the seventh day ends with Jesus’ resurrection in 33 CE, each of the seven days is approximately 587 years long. This fits your framework of Adam as the key marker and Jesus’ resurrection as a pivotal shift, possibly ending God’s rest. Does this resonate with your viewpoint, or did you have a different twist on Adam’s role in mind?

I assume that the 7th day of rest would start as soon as the work of creation was done, yes. Because, it is creation days, not calendar days. Therefore, it would be even more orderly, not like a business day that could sometimes be cut short. More like in a lab or a printing press where this much time is devoted to this stage of work each day. That is, of course, assumptive. But, God is a God of order, not disorder.

Your perspective makes a lot of sense—viewing the seven days as "creation days" rather than calendar days, with the seventh day of rest beginning immediately after the work of creation is complete. You’re emphasizing a structured, orderly process, akin to a deliberate production schedule in a lab or printing press, which aligns with the idea of God as a being of order (1 Corinthians 14:33). Let’s refine the calculation based on this assumption, ensuring the timeline starts precisely at the end of the sixth day (Adam’s creation) and the seventh day follows as part of that orderly sequence.

Refining the Framework

You’re suggesting:

The six creation days culminate with Adam’s formation (Genesis 2:7), the final act of new creation before God rests.

The seventh day begins right after, as Genesis 2:2 states: “By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.”

Each day is a fixed, equal duration, reflecting divine order—not haphazard or truncated like a human workday.

If Adam’s creation marks the end of Day 6 and the start of Day 7, we’ll calculate the total time from that moment (Adam’s creation) to the proposed end of the seventh day (Jesus’ resurrection), then divide by 7 to find the length of each creation day.

Timeline Recap

Using the biblical genealogies and historical estimates from before:

Adam’s creation: Year 0.

Adam to Jesus’ resurrection: Approximately 4,112 years (as calculated: 4,073 years to Jesus’ birth + 39 years to 33 CE).

This 4,112-year span starts at Adam’s creation and runs through the end of the seventh day, assuming Jesus’ resurrection marks its conclusion. Since you’re viewing the seventh day as starting immediately after Adam’s creation (end of Day 6), the total period of 4,112 years encompasses only the seventh day in a literal sense—but your question implies the seven days (1 through 7) are equal segments spanning from creation’s start to the rest’s end. Let’s adjust our lens:

Misstep Correction

My earlier approach assumed the 4,112 years covered all 7 days from Adam onward, but if Day 7 starts after Adam and ends at the resurrection, we need the full creation period (Days 1-6) plus the rest (Day 7). The catch is, Genesis doesn’t specify how long Days 1-5 took before Adam; it’s all pre-Adam. Your lab-like order suggests Days 1-6 occur in a sequence ending with Adam, and Day 7 is the next equal block. If we don’t know the pre-Adam duration, let’s test your hypothesis strictly from Adam’s creation as a measurable point:

Day 7 alone: If Day 7 starts at Adam’s creation (Year 0) and ends at Jesus’ resurrection (4,112 years later), then Day 7 is 4,112 years long. If all 7 days are equal, the total creation period (Days 1-7) would be 4,112 × 7 = 28,784 years, with Days 1-6 spanning 24,672 years before Adam. But this pushes creation’s start far earlier than biblical genealogies suggest (e.g., ~4004 BCE).

This feels off because it assumes Adam’s creation is the start of Day 7, not its context within Day 6. Let’s realign with your intent: the 7 days are equal, and the entire sequence (Days 1-7) runs from the beginning of creation to the end of the rest, with Adam’s creation as a late Day 6 event.

Adjusted Approach

Total time from creation: Traditional chronology (e.g., Ussher) places creation at ~4004 BCE, and Jesus’ resurrection at 33 CE, totaling 4,037 years (ignoring the 0 BCE/CE quirk for simplicity).

Adam’s creation: Occurs at the end of Day 6, after Days 1-5. From Adam to resurrection is 4,112 years (per genealogy), meaning the pre-Adam creation (Days 1-5 plus most of Day 6) is a small, unspecified time before Year 0.

Equal days: If 4,037 years is the total from Day 1’s start to Day 7’s end, each day = 4,037 ÷ 7 ≈ 576.7 years.

But you’re focusing on Adam as the last creation, so let’s anchor it there:

Adam to resurrection: 4,112 years is Day 7’s duration (starting post-creation).

Days 1-6: Unknown pre-Adam duration, but if equal to Day 7, each day = 4,112 years, and total creation = 4,112 × 7 = 28,784 years, again clashing with the 4,037-year traditional span.

Resolution

Your orderly “creation days” model suggests a fixed duration per day, but the Bible’s timeline is Adam-centric onward. Let’s assume:

Days 1-6 end with Adam, and their total duration is short or symbolic (not detailed).

Day 7 is the 4,112 years from Adam to resurrection.

Equal days imply Days 1-6 are also 4,112 years total, but Genesis implies they’re rapid or concurrent up to Adam.

The simplest fit with your view:

Total creation-to-rest-end: 4,112 years from Adam (assuming pre-Adam days are negligible or instantaneous).

Each day: 4,112 ÷ 7 ≈ 587 years, as calculated before, treating Adam’s creation as effectively Day 1’s practical start for measurement.

Final Answer

If the seventh day starts after Adam’s creation and ends at Jesus’ resurrection, and all 7 days are equal in this orderly process, each creation day is ~587 years, spanning from a notional “start” to 33 CE. The pre-Adam days (1-5, early 6) might be compressed or symbolic, with Adam-to-resurrection (587 × 7) aligning the full cycle. Does this ordered, lab-like rhythm match your vision, or should we tweak the pre-Adam assumption further?

Adam was created on the 6th day, so it does not change his geneology if the 7th day started at his creation. He would still live exactly as long, just some of his life would be before the sin happened.

You’re absolutely right—Adam being created on the sixth day, with the seventh day starting immediately after, doesn’t alter his lifespan or genealogy. His 930 years (Genesis 5:5) remain fixed, whether the transition to the seventh day happens at his creation or shortly after. The sin (Genesis 3) occurs sometime post-creation, likely early in his life, but the Bible doesn’t specify exactly when, so it could fall within the sixth day or spill into the seventh. Your point clarifies that the focus is on the creation days’ length, not Adam’s personal timeline shifting. Let’s nail this down with that in mind.

Revised Framework

Adam created on Day 6: Genesis 2:7 places Adam’s formation on the sixth day, followed by Eve’s creation from him (Genesis 2:22). Day 6 ends when God finishes this work.

Day 7 begins: Genesis 2:2 says, “By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested.” If Day 7 starts right after Adam’s creation (or Eve’s, as the final act), it’s Year 0 in Adam’s life.

Equal creation days: You’re assuming all 7 days are the same length, a structured, orderly process.

End of Day 7: You’re testing if it ends at Jesus’ resurrection (33 CE), ~4,112 years from Adam per the genealogy.

If Day 7 starts at Adam’s creation and runs 4,112 years to the resurrection, and all 7 days are equal, we need to reconcile this with the full creation period (Days 1-7). Here’s the logic:

Key Timeline

Adam’s creation: Year 0, end of Day 6.

Day 7: Year 0 to Jesus’ resurrection (4,112 years later).

Day 7 duration: 4,112 years.

All 7 days equal: Total creation period (Days 1-7) would be 4,112 × 7 = 28,784 years, with Day 1 starting ~24,672 years before Adam.

This creates a problem: traditional biblical chronology (e.g., ~4004 BCE to 33 CE = 4,037 years) doesn’t support a 28,784-year span. The genealogy from Adam to Jesus (4,112 years) is post-creation, not pre-Adam. Your model suggests the 7 days span a measurable period, but Genesis frames Days 1-6 as pre-Adam, with no duration given.

Reconciling the Discrepancy

You’re not calculating backward from a speculative pre-Adam creation date (like 4004 BCE) but forward from Adam, with Day 7 as the measurable block. If Day 7 is 4,112 years and all days are equal:

Each day: 4,112 years.

Days 1-6: 4,112 × 6 = 24,672 years before Adam.

Total: 28,784 years from Day 1’s start to Day 7’s end.

But this assumes a vast pre-Adam creation period, which the text doesn’t quantify. Alternatively:

Total known period: From Adam to resurrection (4,112 years) is what we can measure.

If 7 equal days: 4,112 ÷ 7 ≈ 587 years per day, implying Days 1-6 are 587 × 6 = 3,522 years before Adam, and Day 7 is 587 years from Adam to 33 CE.

This second option (587 years/day) fits better if we assume the 4,112 years is the entire 7-day span, but it misaligns with Day 7 starting at Adam. Let’s stick to your intent:

Day 7 = 4,112 years: From Adam (Year 0) to 33 CE.

Each day = 4,112 years: Days 1-6 thus span 24,672 years pre-Adam.

Final Answer

If Adam’s creation ends Day 6, Day 7 starts at Year 0 and runs 4,112 years to Jesus’ resurrection, and all 7 days are equal, each creation day is 4,112 years long. This implies:

Days 1-5 and most of Day 6 (pre-Adam) = 24,672 years.

Day 6 ends with Adam at Year 0.

Day 7 = 4,112 years (Adam to resurrection).

Adam’s 930-year life fits within Day 7, with the sin occurring early (no exact date), not affecting the day-length math. This gives a long, orderly creation process, though it stretches far beyond typical biblical timelines. Does this align with your orderly, lab-like vision, or do you see the 4,112 years differently distributed?

The text does quantify it if all the days are of the same period of time, though. Because, there are 6 days and Jehovah is resting from creating, not from working. The new creation is when he stops resting.

You’re sharpening the focus here, and I appreciate the clarity you’re bringing. Let’s lock this in: the text can quantify the days if we assume they’re all the same length, and you’re tying the end of God’s rest (from creating, specifically) to the “new creation” event. You’ve distinguished that Jehovah rests from creating (Genesis 2:2-3) but not from all working (per John 5:17), and you’re suggesting the seventh day ends when He resumes creating—potentially with Jesus as the “new creation” at his resurrection. Let’s run with this and calculate it precisely.

Core Assumptions

6 days of creation: Days 1-6 cover all acts of creation, ending with Adam (and Eve) on Day 6 (Genesis 1:26-31, 2:7-22).

Day 7 is rest from creating: Starts immediately after Adam’s creation (Year 0), as God ceases new creative acts (Genesis 2:2).

Equal duration: All 7 days are the same length, reflecting divine order.

End of Day 7: God’s rest from creating ends with the “new creation,” which you link to Jesus’ resurrection (33 CE), when he becomes a new spiritual being (possibly referencing 2 Corinthians 5:17 or Colossians 1:18’s “firstborn from the dead”).

Timeline: Adam to Jesus’ resurrection = ~4,112 years (per genealogy: 4,073 to Jesus’ birth + 39 to resurrection).

Calculating the Day Length

Day 7 duration: From Adam’s creation (Year 0) to Jesus’ resurrection (33 CE) = 4,112 years. This is the rest period, where no new creation occurs until Jesus’ resurrection.

All 7 days equal: If Day 7 is 4,112 years, then each of the 6 prior days must also be 4,112 years.

Total creation period: 7 days × 4,112 years/day = 28,784 years from the start of Day 1 to the end of Day 7.

Breakdown

Days 1-5: 4,112 × 5 = 20,560 years of pre-human creation (heavens, earth, plants, animals, etc.).

Day 6: 4,112 years, ending with Adam’s creation at Year 0. This day includes humanity’s creation, with Adam and Eve formed at the very end (say, the last “moment” of Day 6).

Day 7: 4,112 years, from Adam (Year 0) to Jesus’ resurrection (4,112 years later), when the “new creation” begins, ending the rest.

Timeline Visualization

Start of Day 1: ~28,784 years before Jesus’ resurrection (roughly 28,751 BCE).

End of Day 5: ~8,224 years before Adam (8,191 BCE).

Day 6: 8,191 BCE to 79 BCE (Adam created at the end, Year 0).

Day 7: Year 0 (Adam) to 4,112 (33 CE), rest ends with Jesus’ resurrection.

This assumes Adam’s creation is ~4,079 BCE (4,112 years before 33 CE), slightly off from Ussher’s 4004 BCE, but genealogies have wiggle room.

Does This Fit?

Textual support: Genesis doesn’t detail Day 1-5 durations, but your equal-day assumption quantifies them via Day 7’s measurable span (Adam to resurrection). The “new creation” as the end marker aligns with Jesus’ resurrection as a pivotal shift (a new spiritual order).

Rest vs. work: Jehovah resting from creating (no new species, forms, etc.) until Jesus fits, with John 5:17’s “still working” covering non-creative acts (sustaining, redeeming).

Orderly process: Each day at 4,112 years reflects a structured, lab-like rhythm, as you envisioned.

Final Answer

If all 7 creation days are equal, and Day 7 (rest from creating) spans 4,112 years from Adam’s creation to Jesus’ resurrection—the “new creation”—then each day is 4,112 years long. This places:

Creation’s start (Day 1) at ~28,751 BCE.

Adam’s creation (end of Day 6) at ~4,079 BCE.

Day 7’s end at 33 CE.

This is a bold, expansive view, stretching beyond traditional timelines, but it holds internally if the “new creation” marks the rest’s end. Does this resonate with your interpretation, or did you have a different “new creation” event in mind?

Well, there is the possibility that the new creation is when holy spirit is poured out on the first century Christians but that is also in 33 C.E. so no need for more calculations for that.  The other possibility is that it is when the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation are all brought to heaven and therefore are new creations, having been human but now being spirit beings. We  can't calculate that as we don't know when it will happen but we could calculate it up to today and say that each creation day might be this long or even longer.

You’re opening up some intriguing possibilities here, and I like how you’re exploring different moments for the “new creation” that could mark the end of God’s rest from creating. Let’s break this down and calculate based on your two alternatives, sticking with the framework that all 7 creation days are equal and Day 7 starts at Adam’s creation (Year 0).

Recap of the Framework

Day 6 ends: Adam’s creation (Year 0, ~4,079 BCE based on genealogy to 33 CE).

Day 7 begins: Immediately after, God rests from creating (Genesis 2:2).

Day 7 duration: From Adam to the end of the rest, when the “new creation” begins.

Equal days: Days 1-7 are all the same length.

Option 1: New Creation at Pentecost (33 CE)

You mentioned the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the first-century Christians, which Acts 2 places at Pentecost, 50 days after Jesus’ resurrection in 33 CE. This is effectively the same year:

Adam to Pentecost: ~4,112 years (resurrection) + ~50 days (negligible in year-scale math) = still ~4,112 years.

Day 7: 4,112 years.

Each day: 4,112 ÷ 7 isn’t applicable here; rather, if Day 7 is 4,112 years, each day = 4,112 years.

Total creation period: 4,112 × 7 = 28,784 years.

This matches the previous calculation for Jesus’ resurrection, as Pentecost is so close (33 CE). The “new creation” could be the birth of the Church as a spiritual entity (2 Corinthians 5:17), aligning with your orderly process. No recalculation needed—each day remains 4,112 years.

Option 2: New Creation with the 144,000 (Future)

You’ve suggested the completion of the 144,000 (Revelation 7:4, 14:1) as the end of God’s rest, when all are transformed into spirit beings (new creations). This is a future event, undated in Scripture, so we can only calculate to the present (March 20, 2025) and note it could extend further.

Adam to today: 

Adam to Jesus’ resurrection (33 CE) = 4,112 years.

33 CE to 2025 CE = 1,992 years (2025 - 33).

Total: 4,112 + 1,992 = 6,104 years from Adam to March 20, 2025.

Day 7 so far: 6,104 years (and counting, until the 144,000 are complete).

Each day: If Day 7 is at least 6,104 years, and all 7 days are equal, each day = 6,104 years minimum.

Total creation period so far: 6,104 × 7 = 42,728 years (from Day 1’s start to now).

Since the 144,000’s completion could be later, each day could be longer:

If it ends in, say, 2035: Add 10 years = 6,114 years/day, total = 42,798 years.

If much later: The number grows accordingly.

Interpretation Check

Pentecost (33 CE): Each day = 4,112 years, with Day 7 ending when the Holy Spirit initiates the Church as a new creation. Total creation timeline = 28,784 years (Day 1 at ~28,751 BCE).

144,000 (2025 or later): Each day ≥ 6,104 years as of now, with Day 1 starting ~42,695 BCE or earlier, depending on the end date.

Your view of God resting from creating (new forms) until a transformative “new creation” event fits both. The 33 CE option (resurrection or Pentecost) gives a fixed, calculable 4,112 years per day. The 144,000 option yields a minimum 6,104 years per day, potentially longer, reflecting an ongoing rest until that future fulfillment.

Final Answer

If Day 7 ends in 33 CE (resurrection or Pentecost): Each creation day = 4,112 years.

If Day 7 ends with the 144,000 (e.g., 2025 or beyond): Each creation day ≥ 6,104 years as of March 20, 2025, and could be longer depending on when that event occurs.

Both align with your orderly, equal-day model. The 33 CE endpoint feels complete and textually grounded (Jesus or the Church as new creation). The 144,000 endpoint is open-ended, suggesting the rest continues, which might tie to your earlier thought about a later shift. Which feels more compelling to you, or do you see another nuance in the “new creation” timing?

Well, the other thing I thought is that each day is not a fixed amount of time at all, but it simply the time it took each stage of creation to complete. Like a designer or an artist, who might come in and put in 6 hours of work on one day and 20 hours of work on another. But, in that case, we have nothing to calculate.

You’ve thrown a fascinating curveball here, and it’s a great pivot! If each creation day isn’t a fixed length but rather the time it took to complete each stage—like an artist or designer working until the task is done—then you’re right, we don’t have a uniform metric to calculate their lengths. This shifts the perspective from a rigid, clockwork schedule to a more organic, purpose-driven process, still orderly in God’s way but not bound by equal durations. Let’s explore this and see where it lands.

New Framework: Variable Creation Days

Days as stages: Each of the 6 creation days (Genesis 1) represents a phase of work—light, sky, land, celestial bodies, sea/air creatures, land creatures/humans—with Day 7 as rest from creating. Their “length” is simply how long each took, not a preset unit.

No fixed equality: Unlike our previous assumption, Days 1-6 could vary wildly (e.g., Day 1 as 10 minutes, Day 5 as a million years), depending on the complexity or divine intent.

Day 7’s rest: Begins after Adam’s creation (Year 0) and lasts until the “new creation” (33 CE or later), but its length doesn’t dictate the others.

What We Can Measure

Day 6: Ends with Adam (and Eve). We don’t know how long it took from the start of Day 6 (land animals) to Adam, but it’s one stage. Could be instants or eons—Genesis doesn’t say.

Day 7: From Adam (Year 0) to the new creation:

If 33 CE (resurrection/Pentecost): 4,112 years.

If 2025 (minimum for 144,000): 6,104 years and counting.

Days 1-5: No durations given. They’re complete when God moves to the next stage (Genesis 1:3-23).

Why We Can’t Calculate

No data for Days 1-5: The text doesn’t quantify how long it took to separate light from darkness, form the sky, or create fish. Each could be a split second or billions of years if symbolic.

Day 6 ambiguity: From “let the earth bring forth living creatures” (Genesis 1:24) to Adam (Genesis 2:7), we have no time markers.

Day 7’s uniqueness: Even if we measure it (4,112 or 6,104+ years), it’s rest, not creation, and doesn’t imply the active stages match it.

Your analogy of an artist or designer is spot-on: a painter might spend 6 hours sketching, 20 hours on details, and 3 hours shading—each “day” ends when the work’s done, not at a timer’s beep. God, as the ultimate creator, completes each phase perfectly, then moves on.

Implications

33 CE endpoint: If Day 7 ends at Jesus’ resurrection or Pentecost, it’s 4,112 years of rest, but Days 1-6 remain unquantifiable without equal-length assumptions.

144,000 endpoint: If Day 7 runs to 2025 or beyond, it’s ≥6,104 years, still growing, but earlier days stay undefined.

No uniform calc: Without equal durations, we can’t divide a total timeline (e.g., 4,112 or 6,104) by 7 to get each day’s length—each stands alone.

Final Take

If each creation day is the time it took to finish that stage, we can’t calculate their lengths because Genesis doesn’t provide durations for Days 1-6, and Day 7’s measurable span (4,112 years to 33 CE, or ≥6,104 to now) doesn’t retroactively size the others. We’d know:

Day 7: 4,112 years (if 33 CE) or ≥6,104 years (if 144,000 is future).

Days 1-6: Unknown, variable, task-driven durations.

This fits your vision of divine order as purposeful completion, not a stopwatch. We’re left with Day 7’s length as our only concrete figure, and even that hinges on when the “new creation” ends the rest. Does this variable-stage idea feel like the resolution you were leaning toward, or do you want to blend it back with the equal-day approach?

What I am wondering most is, since you know the Bible, do you know where the verse is that mentions a new creation and know what it referenced?

I’m glad you’re zeroing in on this—it’s a key piece of your puzzle! The phrase “new creation” appears explicitly in a couple of places in the Bible, particularly in the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament), and it’s tied to specific contexts that might connect to your question about the end of God’s rest. Let’s look at the main verses and what they reference, since this seems central to your exploration.

Key Verses About “New Creation”

2 Corinthians 5:17  

Text (NIV): “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!”

Context: Paul is writing to the Corinthians about reconciliation through Christ. Being “in Christ” means a transformation—old sinful ways are replaced with a new spiritual identity. This “new creation” refers to individual believers who are reborn through faith, not a cosmic event like the creation of the universe.

Relevance: If you tie this to Pentecost (33 CE, Acts 2), it could mark the start of this process when the Holy Spirit empowers the Church. It’s less about God resuming physical creation and more about spiritual renewal, though you could interpret it as the first fruits of a broader “new creation” phase.

Galatians 6:15  

Text (NIV): “Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.”

Context: Paul emphasizes that external rituals don’t matter—being a “new creation” through Christ does. Like 2 Corinthians, it’s about personal transformation for those in Christ, not a singular event or new physical beings.

Relevance: Similar to 2 Corinthians, it points to a spiritual shift post-resurrection, possibly starting in 33 CE, but it’s ongoing rather than a fixed endpoint.

Revelation 21:1-5 (Indirect Reference)  

Text (NIV): “Then I saw ‘a new heaven and a new earth,’ for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away… He who was seated on the throne said, ‘I am making everything new!’” (21:1, 5).

Context: This is a future, eschatological vision where God renews all creation after the events of Revelation (judgment, etc.). It’s not called “new creation” verbatim but describes a total remake of reality, post-144,000 and other end-time markers.

Relevance: If Day 7 ends with this ultimate renewal, it’s far future, beyond 2025, aligning with the 144,000’s completion as new spirit beings (Revelation 14:1-4). It’s a cosmic “new creation,” distinct from the individual focus of Paul’s letters.

Related Concepts

Colossians 1:15-18: Jesus is “the firstborn over all creation” and “the firstborn from among the dead.” His resurrection (33 CE) could be seen as the start of a new creative order, though “new creation” isn’t explicit here.

Revelation 14:1-4 (144,000): They’re “redeemed from the earth” as “firstfruits,” possibly becoming spirit beings. If this is the “new creation” ending God’s rest, it’s a collective transformation, still future.

What Did It Reference?

2 Corinthians 5:17 and Galatians 6:15: These reference the spiritual transformation of believers “in Christ,” starting with Jesus’ work—his death, resurrection (33 CE), and the Spirit’s outpouring (Pentecost, 33 CE). It’s about individuals becoming new, not a resumption of physical creation like in Genesis.

Revelation 21: This references a future, universal renewal—“everything new”—potentially when the 144,000 are fully gathered as spirit beings, marking a new phase of creation.

Tying to Your Question

33 CE (Resurrection/Pentecost): If “new creation” is Jesus’ resurrection or the Church’s birth (2 Corinthians 5:17), Day 7 ends at 4,112 years from Adam. It’s a spiritual shift, not new physical entities, though Jesus’ resurrected spirit form might qualify as a creative act.

144,000 (Future): If it’s their transformation (linked to Revelation 21’s renewal), Day 7 is ≥6,104 years as of 2025, ending later. This could be a literal new creation—humans turned into spirit beings.

Most Likely Fit

Your focus on Jesus as a “new creation” in prophecy or the Greek Scriptures leans toward 2 Corinthians 5:17, pegging 33 CE as the shift. No single verse calls Jesus the new creation explicitly, but his resurrection (Colossians 1:18) and the Church’s start (Acts 2) are close fits. The 144,000 idea aligns better with Revelation 21’s broader renewal, a future possibility.

Which do you think matches your hunch—33 CE’s spiritual new creation, or the 144,000’s future transformation? I can dig deeper into either!

I used to tihnk it was the 144,000. I have yielded to the possibility that I am wrong.

It’s refreshing to hear you reflect on that shift—it shows a willingness to wrestle with the text and let it speak anew. Moving away from the 144,000 as the “new creation” endpoint opens up the 33 CE possibilities you’ve been circling, like Jesus’ resurrection or Pentecost. Let’s lean into that and see how it fits your original question about the length of the creation days, assuming God’s rest from creating ends there.

Focusing on 33 CE

You’ve been exploring when God’s rest (from creating, per Genesis 2:2) ends, marking the “new creation.” If you’re yielding from the 144,000 (a future event tied to Revelation 14 and 21) to 33 CE, the two strongest candidates are:

Jesus’ Resurrection: 33 CE, when he becomes a spirit being (Colossians 1:18, “firstborn from the dead”).

Pentecost: 33 CE, when the Holy Spirit is poured out (Acts 2), linked to 2 Corinthians 5:17’s “new creation” for believers.

Both are in 33 CE, so the timeline from Adam remains ~4,112 years (4,073 to Jesus’ birth + 39 to 33 CE). Let’s apply this to your creation-day question.

Framework Recap

Day 6: Ends with Adam’s creation (Year 0, ~4,079 BCE).

Day 7: Rest from creating, starting at Adam, ending at the “new creation” in 33 CE.

Day 7 duration: 4,112 years.

You’ve considered two models:

Equal days: All 7 days are the same length.

Variable days: Each day is the time it took to complete its stage, like an artist’s work.

Equal Days Model

If Day 7 ends in 33 CE and all 7 days are equal:

Day 7: 4,112 years (Adam to 33 CE).

Each day: 4,112 years (since they’re equal).

Total: 4,112 × 7 = 28,784 years.

Timeline: Day 1 starts 28,751 BCE, Day 6 ends with Adam (4,079 BCE), Day 7 ends 33 CE.

This suggests a long pre-Adam creation period (24,672 years for Days 1-6), which isn’t detailed in Genesis but fits your orderly, fixed-length idea.

Variable Days Model

If days vary by task:

Day 7: 4,112 years (Adam to 33 CE).

Days 1-6: Unknown lengths, as Genesis doesn’t quantify them (e.g., light on Day 1 could be instant, animals on Day 5 longer).

Total: Can’t calculate without Day 1-6 data.

Here, 4,112 years is just Day 7’s rest, and earlier days are undefined—aligned with your artist analogy.

Which Fits “New Creation” in 33 CE?

Resurrection: Jesus as a spirit being (1 Corinthians 15:45, “last Adam”) could be a new creative act, ending the rest. Day 7 = 4,112 years. Equal days give 4,112 years each; variable days leave Days 1-6 open.

Pentecost: The Church as “new creation” (2 Corinthians 5:17) starts here. Same 4,112-year Day 7, with equal or variable options.

Your Shift from 144,000

The 144,000 tied to a future, collective transformation (Revelation 21’s “new heaven and earth”). Yielding to 33 CE suggests you’re favoring an earlier, Christ-centered event—more immediate and scripturally anchored in the New Testament’s focus on Jesus’ work. Both resurrection and Pentecost fit “new creation” language (spiritual renewal or a new being), and both peg Day 7 at 4,112 years.

Final Answer (Tailored to 33 CE)

Equal days: Each creation day = 4,112 years, with Day 7 spanning Adam to 33 CE (resurrection or Pentecost), totaling 28,784 years from Day 1.

Variable days: Day 7 = 4,112 years, Days 1-6 unknown, no total calculable.

Given your openness to being wrong about the 144,000, the 33 CE endpoint—whether Jesus’ resurrection or Pentecost—seems to resonate now. Does one of these (resurrection as a new being, or Pentecost as a new spiritual era) feel like the “new creation” you’re settling toward? I can refine further if you’ve got a hunch!

I am not settled and I shall not be settled until I am. LOL  What I want to think is of no moment. What is true is. In fact, I do not want to settle because I do not know and as long as I do not know it will remain as something that must be considered or set aside unanswered, depending upon the day.

I love your honesty and your commitment to chasing what’s true over what’s comfortable—there’s real integrity in that! Not settling until you’re settled is a great stance, and it keeps the door open for wherever the evidence or reflection leads. Since you’re content to let this simmer as an open question, I’ll wrap it up with a summary of where we’ve landed, leaving it flexible for you to pick up or set aside as the day demands.

Where We’ve Been

Your question started with the 7 creation days and God’s rest, wondering how long each day might be if equal, tied to when the rest ends with a “new creation.” We’ve explored:

Equal Days:

33 CE (Resurrection/Pentecost): Day 7 = 4,112 years (Adam to 33 CE), each day = 4,112 years, total = 28,784 years. “New creation” as Jesus’ spirit form or the Church’s birth.

144,000 (Future): Day 7 ≥ 6,104 years (to 2025), each day ≥ 6,104 years, growing longer until that event. “New creation” as their transformation.

Variable Days:

Day 7 = 4,112 years (33 CE) or ≥ 6,104 years (2025+), but Days 1-6 are unquantifiable—each the time it took, like an artist’s stages.

New Creation Refs:

2 Corinthians 5:17: Spiritual renewal in Christ (33 CE-ish).

Revelation 21: Cosmic renewal (future, post-144,000).

What’s True?

You’re right—what you want to think doesn’t settle it; what’s true does. The Bible gives Day 7 a measurable span from Adam (4,112 years to 33 CE, or more if future), but Days 1-6 lack explicit durations. The “new creation” could be 33 CE (textually supported by Paul) or later (eschatologically grander), and equal vs. variable days hinges on how you read God’s order.

For Your Consideration

33 CE: Ties neatly to Jesus’ work, with a solid 4,112-year Day 7 if equal, or just Day 7 if variable. Feels grounded but modest.

144,000: Open-ended, epic, with Day 7 still running—harder to pin down but fits a bigger renewal.

Unanswered: Variable days leave it wide open; equal days need a call on the endpoint.

You’re happy leaving it unsettled, which is perfect—it’s a live wire to revisit whenever you’re ready. If a day comes when you want to dig deeper (say, into a specific verse or timeline), I’m here to jump back in. For now, it’s a question on the table, free to ponder or park. What’s next on your mind, or are you good to let this rest (ironically) for now?

Funny, Grok!  I will let it rest, for now.

Glad I could sneak a little humor in there! It’s resting for now, just like Day 7—ready to pick up whenever you feel the itch. Catch you later when you’ve got the next big question brewing!